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C.C. vs. Verve Beauty And Timeless Eye, Also Amore Eye

C. C. vs. Verve Beauty And Timeless Eye 888-601-2889, Also Amore Eye - Free Trial
Kobe Health and Beauty Corp., 2679 Burlingham Drive, Ashtabula, Ohio, 44004-2387, United States
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    • Claim #: 3408191
    • Amount Involved: 42.15
    • Filed On: Jan 17, 2017
    • Posted On: Jan 28, 2017
    • Complaint(s):
      • "I just feel ripped off."
      • Customer service runarounds
      • Problem with a product
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Statement of Claim
Claimant says:
"This is basically a warning to women and some men who wish to see if the free sample of eye cream really will remove the bags under your eyes. DO NOT ORDER THIS CREAM/SERUM. 1. they tell you that you are just ordering a free sample and paying for shipping. 2. the first thing after you decide to say yes, they send you to a page that offers you a second cream that you need for just a little more. You can't leave that page without saying yes. 3. they offer you a third cream, this time you can decline to get the third cream. 4. You go to the next page and order the two creams. WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW and WHAT IS NEVER MADE CLEAR is that you are starting a 14-day trial. And when you receive the product, there is nothing in the box to explain that. Nor are you told you must call to cancel the subscription you didn't know you signed up for. Also, you are never told that the monthly cost of each product that you have a subscription for, is just under $100, so, at a minimum, you are charged nearly $200 a month. On top of that, the creams do nothing. I was stupid enough to try this with two different companies before I realized what was happening. Do NOT let this happen to you. Those magic eye creams are a fraud. The business is a scam. I had to make a scene to get only 75% of my money back from Verve Beauty and Timeless Eye. Amore Eye says they will refund all my money. But, it doesn't excuse how they do business in the first place. Repost this everywhere, please!"
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Additional Communication Between Claimant and Verve Beauty And Timeless Eye 888-601-2889, Also Amore Eye - Free Trial Hide
  • Jan 17, 2017, Claiming party added:
  • I don't expect you to contact these people. I just want people to know about their deceptive advertising. They say you are getting a free sample, just paying postage. Instead, you are getting a 14-day trial. A free trial and a free sample are two different things. A sample does not imply further purchases, a trial does imply that there might be more to deal with. So, since it doesn't or didn't say trial but a sample, that information is not clear. Also, you can't get the "free" sample without ordering another "free" sample for a slightly higher cost of postage. Nowhere do they clearly tell you the actual cost of the product or that you are starting a subscription. I don't want other people to be deceived by them. I got my money back from Amore. But, I only got 75% back from Verve Beauty and Timeless Eye. I would love to get the rest of my money back, but I don't expect it.

  • Jan 19, 2017, Claiming party added:
  • I don't know if this will be helpful, but when I received a second set of eye serum and cream I realized that something was not right. I called to find out if this was some sort of subscription. They said it was and I told them that wasn't clear when I ordered the sample and I asked to cancel it. I also offered to send the second set back. They told me that it was not necessary to send it back and they would "take care of everything". Two weeks later I got two cancellation emails canceling each of the product subscriptions. Both letters said "any ongoing or future charges would be canceled as per my request." Since "ongoing" means "actually in progress", I understood that to mean current and future charges would be canceled. Attached are screen shots of the emails. However, they billed my account the same day they said "ongoing" charges would be canceled. And now they say they will only refund 75% of what I paid.

  • Jan 19, 2017, Claiming party added:
  • In case it isn't clear, Amore has refunded my money. But I included their name so that people see that their ads are purposely deceptive, misleading, and the product does not do what it claims it will do. I do not need to collect any more money from them.

    The money should come from Verve Beauty and Timeless Eye, also known as Truelovelyskin. They sent an email saying they were canceling any ongoing or future charges. They did not do this and they made me fight to get even 75% of my money back.

  • Jan 29, 2017, Claiming party added:
  • On Jan 17 I said that Amore has refunded my money. That was a misstatement. I have not received any money from them only emails saying that they will refund me the money. To date I have not received anything.

  • Jan 29, 2017, Claiming party added:
  • Jan 19 not 17

  • Feb 01, 2017, Claiming party added:
  • Timeless Eye has not refunded my money yet.

    Verve Beauty and Amore have refunded 100%

  • Feb 01, 2017, Claiming party added:
  • Timeless Eye has not refunded my money yet.

    Verve Beauty and Amore have refunded 100%

  • Feb 02, 2017, Claiming party added:
  • Timeless Eye is the only company that has not reimbursed my money. They work with Verve Beauty.

  • Feb 06, 2017, Claiming party added:
  • Unfortunately, I have found more charges on my card from both Verve and Timeless Eye. Apparently, I was also charged in October $87.47 from each company. A total of $187.94. I had called for the first time in October to find out if this was a subscription, I spoke with a woman who said that it was. I offered to send the product back because it didn't work and I didn't want it. She said I could not send it back and that she would stop the subscription and "take care of everything". I assumed wrongly by those words that I would not be charged. It wasn't until November that I saw charges and I also wrongly assumed these were the charges for the product they had sent in October. I called to get a refund citing the email that I had received saying that the subscription had been canceled as well as any ongoing or future charges. But, the November charges were "future charges". Verve has refunded the November charge of $94.42. They did so in two payments. Timeless Eye has refunded nothing. Timeless Eye owes me $94.42 for November and $87.47 for October. Verve owes me $87.47 for October.

  • Feb 13, 2017, Claiming party added:
  • Verve Beauty Derma, and Timeless Eye use deceptive advertising to sell their products.
    1. In a very small, peripheral ad, they show a picture of an older woman who pats the product around her eyes. Quickly the bags under them disappear, as well as some wrinkles. You click on this to see the offer.
    2. The product is advertised as “FREE”, just pay shipping and handling.
    3. There is no more information on the web page about the offer.
    4. There is no phone number to call.
    5. You are not allowed to buy the first product without buying a second product, again you are told it is “Free” for the shipping and handling.
    6. Again you are not given any more information about the deal on this web page.
    7. They do not include ANY information inside the package that is delivered.
    8. They do not provide ANY contact information to find out about the product, not on the ad, nor in the delivered package.
    9. The only terms you are shown on the ad site, without navigating elsewhere, are that the product is “Free” for the cost of shipping and handling. No conventional method to navigate anywhere else is obvious, no scroll bar, nothing that says “see details here”.
    10. The product does not work the way the video showed. It did not remove my bags or wrinkles immediately as shown, nor after days of use. Also, after a few days I had an allergic reaction to it. But there was no way to call and ask about it.
    11. Contact information, a phone number, was only provided in the second shipment on a postcard describing another product. No further information about the products already sent was included.
    12. When I called they informed me that I had a 14 day trial and a subscription began once the trial was over.
    13. They will not accept the return of unopened product.
    14. Not in any phone call did they tell me that the original “Free” products are not “Free”, not even after paying for the postage and handling.
    15. They charged me full price 12 days from the day I placed the order, however I did not receive the order until AFTER that 12 day period. Therefore, it was NEVER “Free” for ANY amount of time. And paying full price for the product after the “trial” was never mentioned.
    16. When I called and asked questions about why I was getting more product that I didn’t want and didn’t think I had ordered, I was told that “everything would be taken care of”.
    17. A few weeks later I received an email saying that “any ongoing and future payments would be canceled”. However, much later when checking my statement, I found that I was charged for the subscription on the day I made the phone call as well as charged the day before. I consider those “any ongoing” payments as “ongoing” is defined as “current”.
    18. I placed a second call about those charges, that I was “not going to be charged for”. The person on the phone was combative and only agreed to return 75% of the money for both products after a great deal of my shouting and being quite angry.
    19. In this same call I was informed that there is a button that must be pressed that says “I am over 18 and I agree to the terms”, which I apparently pressed. No doubt because I am over 18 and I agreed to the terms that I was shown (“free” for the cost of shipping and handling).
    a. Pressing the button does not lead to the terms. To get to the terms one must press the word “terms”
    b. It is natural to assume the terms originally shown are the only terms.
    c. This is a product aimed at older women.
    d. Older women in general are not computer savvy and might not realize they must press the words and not just the button.
    e. The type is very small and does not say press here to see further details and that there are more limitations on the purchase.
    f. There is no reason to put the terms on a different page, or in a place that can not be seen without navigating to go to it, unless they are trying to deceive customers.
    ⁃ No print ad would be allowed to offer something “Free” without fully explaining the terms on the same page in reasonably visible type.
    ⁃ No TV ad would be able to offer something for “Free” without a voice over explain and small type listing the terms.
    ⁃ Both TV and print ads supply a phone number where everything gets explained fully again.
    ⁃ Internet pages are not limited by size, nor by time spent looking at them.
    20. Verve Beauty Derma did finally return the money from the subscription payment for one product for $94.42, in two refunds. However, no money was returned from Timeless Eye. (I still did not know about the original charges at this time.)
    21. After discovering the original charges, and that the product was not “Free” for any amount of time, I called a third time to ask for further refunds. The person answering the phone was combative and obviously not going to be helpful.
    22. On February 8, I received a refund from Verve for $87.47.

    Timeless Eye, A Verve company, still owes me $181.92 total for the original “Free” product as well as for the second shipment. Verve has returned $94.42 (in two refunds), which is the amount charged for the second shipment of one of their products and $87.47 on February 8, the amount charged for the original “Free” product. Timeless Eye has refunded nothing.

    Verve Derma Beauty and Timeless Eye together have charged me a total of $363.81. I believe they get their money through deceptive advertising. They hide their terms, aim at older women, and the product does not work. They do not provide contact information until the subscription (that you don’t know you have) has begun. Once they give you a phone number to call they still don’t explain the terms clearly. They are combative if you want a refund of the money.

    I want my $181.92 refunded from Timeless Eye. I also believe that Verve and Timeless Eye should be made accountable for what I believe are unscrupulous business practices.

What Claimant Wants Hide
1. Refund: the 25% to make up the full price paid Feb 01, 2017 $42.15
2. Other – Copy claim to regulators Feb 01, 2017 $14.99
3. Other – Pay for claim posting cost Feb 01, 2017 $7.99
Cash total : $65.13
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